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Topic: 23,000 Brimstone Acres Lost/Sold (Read 8176 times)
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STAKK
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To ride any state owned land you need a hunting/fishing combo plus a WMA permit, which totals $45.00 (Tn resident)......the OHV permit (Tn resident) is $61.00 and the out of state is in fact $191.00 ARE YOU POSITIVE ? that you need BOTH permits? It was my understand from talking to others on royal blues forum , that one or the other was all that was needed? meaning you did not have to have OHV if you have the hunting/fishing deal or the OHV. And also the way I thought I understood it was hunting and a small game permit, not fishing? Your saying $45+$61, but way I understood it when I researched it was $45 OR $61? If you don't hunt or fish, WHY WOULD would a person just riding need that in addition to OHV? Way I understood it even the OHV guys bought the hunting/small game permit and not the OHV because it saved them a few dollars. Yes all you need is either of the permits, the $45.00 or the $61.00 one......... the $45.00 permit is a hunt/fish combo ($28.00) and a WMA permit ($17.00) total $45.00 (Tennessee resident price)...... BUT listen VERY carefully to this.......Yes the $45.00 permit IS cheaper, and allows you you to ride and hunt and fish BUT remember that every time you buy this cheaper permit is gets recorded as a Hunting liscense sale, not a OHV permit sale....... So, most everyone is going to buy this cheaper permit to save money, but it will hurt in the long run the OHV program, IF they ever want to close any trails, all they have to do to justify it is go into the records and say, " Well we sale very few OHV permits ($61.00) the vast majority are hunting/fishing permits"....... even though 95% of the riders are buying the hunt/fish cheaper permit to ride........I personally will buy the $61.00 OHV permit so it's gets recorded as an OHV sale, so hopefully we OHV'ers can continue to be taken into consideration.............Stakk |
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Sam23
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To ride any state owned land you need a hunting/fishing combo plus a WMA permit, which totals $45.00 (Tn resident)......the OHV permit (Tn resident) is $61.00 and the out of state is in fact $191.00 ARE YOU POSITIVE ? that you need BOTH permits? It was my understand from talking to others on royal blues forum , that one or the other was all that was needed? meaning you did not have to have OHV if you have the hunting/fishing deal or the OHV. And also the way I thought I understood it was hunting and a small game permit, not fishing? Your saying $45+$61, but way I understood it when I researched it was $45 OR $61? If you don't hunt or fish, WHY WOULD would a person just riding need that in addition to OHV? Way I understood it even the OHV guys bought the hunting/small game permit and not the OHV because it saved them a few dollars. It is the 41 OR 61...not both |
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"A government big enough to give you everything you want, is big enough to take away everything you have. . ." Thomas Jefferson
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Sam23
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Any chance of a RELEASE of the current GPS Tracks (even tho part of them will be on TWRA)?? As I understood the motivate of not releasing them before is they were afraid people would not buy their map. I guess all that back stock of maps is useless now, as you can't continue to sell the old map if it represents trails that are not on property.. But I'd still LIKE to get a full GPS tracks of all the current trails just for reference, as I will get the necessary permits from TWRA to continue to ride them?? So what do you say??? Visit the most active online offroad/dualsport
community in the East TN/Western NC area at ....http://www.SmokyMountainRiders.com  http://tndualsport.freeforums.org/As I understand it, the gps tracks / map work was done by a 3rd. party. Current maps are still quite useful. It is a simple matter to draw a line on it as to what is Brimstone and what is state. If your going to get the state permit to ride both, the map will help keep you off the private property. |
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« Last Edit: October 30, 2007, 06:54:05 PM by Sam23 »
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REMEMBER:
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boog
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The state of Tennessee has apparently closed the deal on the property in Gobey, Smokey Junction, & Brimstone areas that has been in debate for some time now. So far we have learned that 23,000 acres in Brimstone has been turned over to TWRA and so far they have begun marking certain trails in the Brimstone rec. area. so far we have no details on the land in Gobey in the Morgan county section of the property that was being looked at unless this 23,000 acres tract runs into this section. we will post any news as we get it. Anyone having details on this is encouraged to post their comments.
Earlier this year, GMO put its local interests — the timber rights on the 74,000-acre Sundquist tract and the surface rights on the 44,000-acre Brimstone tract — on the market. According to The Nature Conservancy's associate director in Tennessee, Gina Hanbible, GMO contacted Lyme Timber, with which it had worked on previous land transactions in the past. Lyme, in turn, turned to The Nature Conservancy, a non-profit conservation group with which it had worked on previous land acquisitions. TNC then contacted Governor Phil Bredesen, with whom the organization had worked on a number of other conservation projects along the Cumberland Plateau over the past three years, and the wheels of an eventual proposal were put into motion.
Early in the negotiation process, Forest Lands Group, LLC, which holds the Emory River (Gobey) tract adjoining Brimstone and Sundquist, was brought into the discussions. What resulted was a complicated proposal that most of the parties involved call an innovative, public-private initiative, one which would result in the state holding rights to 164,000 contiguous acres in and adjacent to the Cumberland Mountains on the northern Cumberland Plateau — including the 104,000 acres previously held by the state and 40,000 new acres.
According to Tennessee Department of Environment and Conservation Communications Director Dana Coleman, Lyme Timber would purchase all properties from GMO and Forest Lands outright, at a total cost of around $148 million. That purchase would include the timber rights on the Sundquist tract, and surface rights on the Brimstone and Emory River tracts.
Lyme Timber would then sell an estimated 7,000 acres of the Emory River tract fee simple to the state. That 7,000 acres would border — and double the size of — Frozen Head State Natural Area near Wartburg in Morgan County.
Lyme Timber would also enter into a 10-year leaseback agreement with the state on the timber rights of the Sundquist tract, allowing the state to retain those timber rights at the end of the time period. Finally, Lyme Timber would sell a conservation easement — allowing the state to control public access, hunting and fishing, and wildlife management — on a total of 40,000 acres. That total would include some 25,000 acres of the Brimstone tract and 15,000 acres of the Emory River tract, though Lyme Timber's director of forestland investments, Tom Morrow, cautioned that those numbers are only preliminary.
"Those estimates could change as we move forward," Morrow said. "The conservation easement could wind up including more of the Brimstone tract, or it could include less of the Brimstone tract."
The problem, according to Marie Stringer, of the Governor's Policy Office, is sorting out exactly what property is included and what isn't.
"We're working through where the lines would be drawn right now," Stringer said. Regardless, she said, all of the property — except that within the Frozen Head State Management Area — will see active timber management.
In the end, the 40,000 acres of the conservation easement sold to the state would be placed under the management of the TWRA, establishing a third WMA to adjoin the already-established 70,000-acre Sundquist and 40,000-acre Royal Blue WMAs. The 7,000 acres sold fee simple to the state would be placed under the management of the TDEC. Public access on the remainder of the property — around 15,000 acres on the Brimstone tract and 10,000 acres on the Emory River tract — would be privately held by Lyme Timber. The future of that property is unclear, though Morrow said Lyme Timber would enter its ownership with no plans to develop the property. Several options would be available to Lyme, including leasing the recreation rights or eventually selling off the property.
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