23,000 Brimstone Acres Lost/Sold

[boog]

Sold to Tennessee Wildlife Resource Agency. Negotiations were completed last week and Thursday Tennessee Wildlife Resource Commission was notified. TWRA is in the process  of posting major trailheads with new signs.

www.tnwildlife.org will have maps available on line in the next few days. The agnecy is going to temporarily place the property under the Royal Blue WMA.

This information was gleaned from the Knoxville paper, maybe stakk has some more information

[Bamagirl]

This out of state Brimstone rider really hates to hear this. 

[STAKK]

Not excatly.........The entire 44,000 acres is now owned by Lyme Timber..........The state has bought a 23,000 acre conservation easement on the property, to be managed by TWRA, the riding will continue, if you have a current permit that allows you to ride on Royal Blue and Sundquist, you can ride this easement also.......the remaining 20,000 acres is excluded from this deal and the state has nothing to do with it.........Brimstone Recreation will continue to manage the recreation on the remaining 20,000 acres.......In a nutshell, the Brimstone property is still open for riding, except 2 permits are needed now if you want to ride the entire property, or you can choose to only ride the Brimstone Rec. managed property, or the state managed sections......... meetings will be had soon, and the permit fee's for 2008 on the Brimstone Rec. 20,000 acres will be posted soon.........Stakk

[boog]

Thanks Stakk, that information was not in bob hodges article in Knoxvilles news sentinel for 10-28-07.

Please keep us informed of the meetings and the location where they will be held

boog

[Bamagirl]

U know this is really terrible news.....specially for the ones of us that travel from out of state to ride. Any idea on the prices of permits for the remaining Brimstone area? I mean if its less land and all... just to make sure we are protected some of us will have to buy the TWRA permit and the Brimstone. Will Brimstone also become a TWRA permit seller like RideRoyalBlue.com and other areas that sell permits?

Between gas prices and land permits I might as well sell my atvs and buy a motorcycle Specially if I plan to ride out of state.  Maybe I should just consider a rocking chair.

Can u tell us when the yearly permit expires? End of the year or on into February?

[limecat]

I just checked the nonresident rate and at $191.00 per person, that will end my groups riding on all of it!  I heard it is the southern part.  I seen 1 WMA sign on trail 1 this weekend, roughly which main trails will it effect? to how far north trail 7, 9, 11, etc?
I really hate to hear this we loved coming down.  Also when will this effect us as far as the passes we now have, I hope at least not till the first of the year?  is the brimestone management  going to try to make new trails to help offset this?
limecat

[boog]

Stakk , I was under the impression that to ride on Royal Blue all one needed was a hunting fishing license. Since that twra was receiving the fees from the issue of hunting fishing license,and those fees are what purchased the area, that the license itself was the permit to use the property ?


Limecat check on the link posted in the first of the thread to twra in a few days and it should have a map.

[cbartlett990]

 Hey Limecat, if all we gotta have is Hunting/Fishing Permit, check with TWRA on their 1-3 day permits. I know used to, you could get them, i'm thinking 20-25 dollars for the permits, I could be wrong so don't hold me to it. If you only come 3 or 4 times a year it might be cheaper for you and your group to do that. I will look on the web-site, if not i will call TWRA and find out for ya. Hope this helps.

[cbartlett990]

 Oh yeah, Bama, rocking chairs are pretty stable on flat ground. But watch it on inclines, they can be a little tricky. Wear a helmet and a kill switch, I'd hate to see one if it got away from ya! LOL!

[limecat]

YEA, we ride more than that, usually every couple weeks I bring down a group.  SOOO with Brimestone pass + fishing permit + fuel= only maybe whats left if its worth the drive, or go to Everret KY.. We usually only ride for 4-5 hours or 1 tanks worth.
Limecat

[Bamagirl]

If yall find out any info on the fishing permits being cheaper then the riding ones let me know..Im all about savingmoney when it comes to riding and the more I save the more times I get to go ride.

Im sure the rocking chairs could buck me off too and seeing how I have become pretty good at my dismounts I might could handle it!

Talks and opinions about this little deal at Bstone is all over the message boards. Most are saying what a hot place they had and how it was on its way to the best riding area in East Tn. Still is for the locals that dont have to buy out of state permits. Alright...enough with my disappointment. 

[webrebel]

If Tn would get reasonable with out of state permits all this would be a non-issue. Anyone approached the state about this?

[STAKK]

The state is being talked to about the out of state permit prices as we speak..........also, Brimstone Rec. is planning on building new trails to replace what the TWRA took from us......... they will be built on existing log trails with no damage to hardwoods or the enviornment........bear in mind, that you are NOT required to buy a state permit until Febuary, and you do not have to buy one at all, unless you want to ride on the 23,000 acres they took over........all you need is a Brimstone permit to ride the 20,000 acres that the state didn't take control of........To ride any state owned land you need a hunting/fishing combo plus a WMA permit, which totals $45.00 (Tn resident)......the OHV permit (Tn resident) is $61.00 and the out of state is in fact $191.00, not sure what the out of state hunt/fish/wma combo is?.....Folks 20,000 acres is still alot of terrain to ride, Black Mt. in Evarts Ky. is only 8000 acres, plus there is several more thousand ares "off park" that they ride...... right now there is about 125 miles of trails left on the 20,000 acre Brimstone Rec. managed property.......Bama, there will still be plenty of trails and good riding left on this 20,000 acres...... also, we could have lost all of it, but didn't....... it could have been sold out to developers and such, but at least we will have a place to ride from now on out........if we can get the state to restructure the out of state permit fee's and make them cheaper, it will be a win for us........until then, we will continue to have 20,000 acres to enjoy for years to come, and when you think about it, with most places being much smaller, 20,000 acres is huge in comparison.....Carolina Adventure World is only 2600 acres, and several mud parks in Texas are 500-1000 acres........with 20,000 acres to work with, we'll be alright, we just need you all's continued support!!!!!!!  Stakk

[STAKK]

Current Brimstone Rec. yearly permits will expire on Dec. 31st 2007........ we will have info on the 2008 permit prices ASAP.........also a state (TWRA) permit will not be required until after Feb.28th 2008....If that chages we will post info........Stakk

[Bamagirl]

It can always be worse but it sure is a disappointment. Next time Im up maybe u can explain where the area changes or show me on the map. Lots of really good riding up at Brimstone and even on RB... if u could connect it all and ride from one place to another without hauling I could handle it a little easier.... but once it all goes in effect, I will have all my correct permits cause I wont take the chance of getting ticketed.... think the permits are high Im sure the fines for riding illegal would be much higher and Im not into those kind of risks.

Sure does seem like this board slowed down real quick once the talks of selling came up... maybe things will brighten back up when more info is found out how everything is going to be affected.